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Post by destinyros2005 » 12/21/05 17:58

I LOVE MV!

That's it. Other than him...the eppy did nothing for me.

Was nice to see Lena again, though.

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Post by UMgirl » 12/22/05 16:22

LOL See, that's what I like posting with you; you agree with me.

The LO scenes were from season 2, so it did nothing for me. LOL I was like "I remember that!"

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Post by destinyros2005 » 12/23/05 11:22



I am to please! LOL

I just love having someone to post with. No one posts with me anymore...oh, that could be because no one watches the show anymore!

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Post by UMgirl » 12/23/05 12:22

LOL That's how I feel too. All the people that I LOVED posting with about the show gave it up(okay, most of them did; those who still watch are Jack fans and I'm not, so very little to discuss there), but then I accidentaly came across this board and that just thrills me. Someone to bitch about the show with. Eeee!

What does the show have to do to make this a successfull conclusion? I mean beyond bringing MV back for more than a few episodes.

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Post by destinyros2005 » 12/27/05 15:40

Oh, I like Jack and all well enough, but I like other people much more. I'm so glad you stumbled across our little board here.

Beside bringing MV back?

Nope...that's the only thing that will do it for me. And not like that last episode. He has to be back and back for the rest of the season. Um...yeah.

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Post by UMgirl » 12/27/05 16:09

Yeah and JG has to go find her acting chops again too. Because if she continues on like she has this season(and, last season), our beloved VSR is up the creek without a paddle.

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Post by destinyros2005 » 12/27/05 17:50

No kidding. I mean seriously...they had been broken up for some time and were still doing wonderful onscreen. It was once she got married that things got weird. It was fine when Ben and Jen were dating...so, what changed?

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Post by UMgirl » 12/28/05 10:21

Actually, I noticed a total difference at the beginning of the last season too. When she and BA were dating and that was supposedly when Assfleck was hanging around the set and they were all googly-eyed and stuff... it wasn't until mid-season that I noticed things were beginning to return to how they were before, then JG was noticably knocked up and things went to hell in a hand basket again. LOL

I actually thought both MV/JG did a great job in episode 1 of this season. The chemistry was back and they looked happy and in love and I didn't feel any weird vibes, even in scenes about the baby... but then MV was gone and there was barely any mention of Vaughn and JG's acting was just wretched. You'd never know that Sydney lost her soulmate. The writing has been bad, but I don't think JG has done anything... even if it isn't written on the page or whatever, she could still act sad and mournful, which we rarely got.

It's just so frustrating. I guess I expected more from her because prior to the BA crap, she has always been able to rise above whatever crap she was given, but then maybe... she believes she's bigger than Alias now that she is Mrs. Ben Affleck... I mean that's been her goal since they did DareDevil together. (Okay, that last part is just gossip and rumour, LOL... )

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Post by destinyros2005 » 12/30/05 12:10

Exactly! The first episode this season...I was feelin' it. It was back and I thought that maybe, just maybe we'd be good. Then the BASTARDS had to go and kill Vaughn. They killed the show, IMO. Between JG's total lack of participation and the total lack of caring by the writers, the show has gone to hell in a handbag fast! I mean, I'm happy for the woman. If she's happy, I'm happy for her, but she use to act like a professional. What happened to that?

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Post by UMgirl » 12/30/05 12:17

It wasn't even killing Vaughn that killed the show for me, it was the WAY it was done. I mean he was shot, like twenty or fifty times. It was as if the show was saying HE IS NOT COMING BACK(obviously that changed, but NOTHING will EVER convince me he was meant to come back. Not after that bloodbath) and JG's acting showed that. My friends and I have discussed this before, but sometimes, we wonder if maybe JG really has to feel something towards her co-star in order to be believable. She doesn't miss MV, so neither does Sydney. I don't know. Just makes you wonder.

As for her professionalism, it's probably the BA affect. He is totally unprofessional and it's rubbed off on her. I wouldn't be surprised if he fed her all kinds of stories that she's bigger than Alias and shouldn't be wasted on television; that she's a huge STAR, but none of the flicks she's done on her own have done anything, so she isn't. Oh, well...

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Post by destinyros2005 » 01/02/06 16:26

Oh, I know. So, if you get shot once or twice...you can come back. But if you're shot 100 times in the chest, you can initially survive that and then die at the hospital? I'm sorry, but if he was shot that many damn times in the chest, please explain to me how the hell he even made it to the hospital alive? If you are going to shoot someone that many times, they die right there. So, not only did they OVER kill him, they drew it out and basically "killed" him a second time when he actually died which made it all the worse, IMO.

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Post by UMgirl » 01/02/06 16:55

Yeah, I didn't get that part either. I mean people have survived some pretty amazing things before, but... I have never heard of someone surviving that many bullets...

They probably wanted to give fans a few more VSR moments before... well, that and have Vaughn suck from the cup of magic(which I assume was to mislead fans into thinking SEE? He can still be alive).

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Post by destinyros2005 » 01/07/06 12:10

Speaking of that cup...you think it was filled with something bad to push him over the edge?

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Post by UMgirl » 01/08/06 11:11

That could be it too, but I wonder if maybe Jack or someone put something in that cup, so as to be able to really fake his death. Remember when they faked Sloane's death? Something like that. He would flatline, everyone would think he was dead and a few minutes later, they'd be able to get his heart beating again.

Okay, I have no idea if that's possible, but it's television, so whatever... LOL

But your spin is probably closer to what they planned than mine.

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Post by destinyros2005 » 01/08/06 17:10

See...I've thought both things. When I was watching it...I was totally thinking along the same lines as the Sloane line. They closed the curtains, so we didn't actually see the final "death" and then cute to Sydney saying goodbye or what not and then the closed-casket funeral. A little too "neat" for me.

But then I've also thought that maybe Vaughn was going to survive the 500 bullets and the surgery he'd have to undergo for that and the "bad guys" laced that cup with something to finally kill him.

I'm torn...depending on when you catch me, I could go either way.

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Post by UMgirl » 01/09/06 14:05

I'm NOT sure how accurate this is, but it comes from pretty reliable spoiler sources, but way back in the summer when we first heard about everything, I remember reading something about there being an OPEN CASKET funeral, but the fan outrage had them scrambling, so I tend to think the cup 'o water was meant, like you suggested, but it was also meant to lead us on, into thinking there is more to it than we know.

Couple it with the way Sydney occassionally talked about Vaughn. She NEVER talked about his death, just that he should be there, ect, ect. Again, to leads us on.

I honestly think, like I've said before, they were truly whacking Vaughn, hence all the shots, but changed their minds when fans wouldn't shut up, all the press the campaigns got. If the intent was to 'confuse' fans, you'd think they'd have tried something else. You know like the car crash, the car going over a cliff with Vaughn in it... something like that. Having him shot fifty times in THE CHEST is not it...

I'm just talking myself into believing he is really dead, so when he turns up dead, I won't go postal and when he turns up alive, I'll be elated...

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Post by destinyros2005 » 01/16/06 16:45

Oh yeah..if they weren't going to kill him dead...they totally could of "killed" him in so many other ways. I mean how many times as Irina died? Even Evil Francie died once and came back. But I'm with you. He's dead. If he comes back... If not...no big surprise.

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Post by UMgirl » 01/17/06 15:16

But Evil Francie was evil and a robot. LOL

I did read in Kristin's little spoiler thingy on E! that MV was supposed to be back for three episodes. Lovely. 3 episodes. I truly hate this show.

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Post by destinyros2005 » 01/17/06 17:51

Those better be 3 LONG episodes that stretch into 10!

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Post by UMgirl » 01/18/06 12:49

With our luck, it'll turn into one scene in the finale. LOL That's how this show is going for us so far!

*sigh*

Oh and she didn't know whether he would dead, alive or what. I swear JJ probably doesn't know either.

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